{"id":2624,"date":"2018-07-23T16:58:07","date_gmt":"2018-07-23T21:58:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/veritasfidei.org\/en\/?p=2624"},"modified":"2018-07-25T10:17:22","modified_gmt":"2018-07-25T15:17:22","slug":"answering-no-historical-facts-about-jesus","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/veritasfidei.org\/en\/answering-no-historical-facts-about-jesus\/","title":{"rendered":"Answering: &#8220;No historical facts about Jesus&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<hr \/>\n<h2><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Answering: &#8220;No historical facts about Jesus&#8221;<\/span><\/h2>\n<h6><span style=\"color: #000000;\">By Chris Du-Pond<\/span><\/h6>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">After a recent debate with my friend, apologist Santiago Alarc\u00f3n, Argentinian Historian Walter Burriguini issued the following statement:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u201cChristian apologists misinform their followers when they teach that there are historical evidences about the resurrection of Jesus, due to the fact that there are no serious historians (not even a Christian one) that believe this\u2026otherwise they would be using such evidence. And that is not happening\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Furthermore, during a subsequent social media conversation (with me), he affirmed that the Four Gospels are, historically, <em>at the same level<\/em> as the novels of Harry Potter.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Finally, he assured:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">&#8220;There are no direct eyewitness accounts of a flesh and blood person named Jesus Nazareth who lived in the first century. So we do not even know if there are &#8220;facts about Jesus&#8221; to study and that&#8217;s why no historian takes the issue seriously&#8221;.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">When we cited Dr. Gary Habermas, he said: <\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u201cGary Habermas is a theologian and an apologist\u2026The minimal facts were plagiarized from the \u2018microhistory\u2019 from Carlo Ginzburg\u2026 Serious historians have criteria to validate a source. Apologists like Habermas do not respect these criteria and that is why they do not publish their speculations in specialized historical journals or present in historical conferences. He would be considered a buffoon [in such setting].\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Given that some of these statements were uttered directly against Dr. Habermas and his credentials, I did write to him to give him the opportunity to answer. The following data was kindly reviewed by Dr. Habermas for accuracy, however the post is of my own authorship so any fault with it (if any) is my own responsibility. I have tried, however to be factual, accurate, and truthful.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Now, let\u2019s answer some of Mr. Burriguini assertions in order:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"> <strong>Claim:<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">&#8220;There are no direct eyewitness accounts of a flesh and blood person named Jesus of Nazareth who lived in the first century. So we do not even know if there are \u2018facts about Jesus\u2019 to study and that is why no historian takes the issue seriously&#8221;.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Answer:<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"> If this is the case, are we to seriously believe that Alexander the Great\u2014and many other historical figures from the ancient past\u2014never lived since there are no flesh and blood testimonies? This claim shows that Mr. Burriguini is completely out of touch with the historical method and ancient historiography.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Claim:<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u201cChristian apologists misinform their followers when they teach that there are historical evidences about the resurrection of Jesus, due to the fact that there are no serious historians (not even a Christian one) that thinks this\u2026otherwise they would be using such evidence, and that is not happening\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Answer:<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This is fairly simple to answer.\u00a0Suffice to frame a historical argument in favor of the resurrection of Jesus\u00a0using\u00a0historical data\u00a0endorsed by, at least, one \u201cserious\u201d historian. We already have that from Dr. Gary Habermas and I have a synthesis of the (minimal facts) argument <a href=\"http:\/\/veritasfidei.org\/en\/resurrection-fact-or-fiction\/\">here<\/a>. Since Burriguini rejects biblical scholars as a whole, let\u2019s just focus on a few historians with impeccable credentials.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">1) <strong>J. K. Elliott.<\/strong> Elliott, an agnostic, has doctorates from Oxford and Leeds. He has published in Textual Criticism and Christian Apocrypha besides numerous historical articles in one of Britain\u2019s most prestigious historical magazines: <em>History Today<\/em>. In Volume 29, Elliott admits that the disciples of Jesus had experiences that they interpreted as apparitions of the risen Jesus. This does not prove the resurrection. It just affirms the historical fact that the disciples believed in the resurrection sincerely. It would be confused from the part of the editors of History Today to let a non-historian write 10 articles in a secular historical magazine. Source: <a style=\"color: #000000;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.historytoday.com\/author\/jk-elliott\">https:\/\/www.historytoday.com\/author\/jk-elliott<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">2) <strong>Dr. Michael Grant<\/strong> was a Cambridge-trained specialist in classical Greco-Roman history. His translation of Tacitus\u2019s Annals stands as one of his best works to this day. He authored more than 70 historical works that span subjects such as Roman coinage, the eruption of Mount Vesuvius, and the Gospels. In his historical review of the Gospels (<em>Jesus: An Historian&#8217;s Review of the Gospels<\/em>), he concludes the following about Jesus: 1) he died by crucifixion, 2) his disciples believed to have seen Jesus alive after his crucifixion, 3) the disciples were transformed from cowards to ambassadors of the Christian faith, 4) the proclamation of the Christian faith happened very early after Jesus\u2019 death, 5) James (brother of Jesus) and Paul (a persecutor of Christians) both converted to Christianity shortly after Jesus\u2019 death. Additionally, Grant affirmed that the empty tomb of Jesus can be demonstrated via the historical method.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">3) <strong>Geza Vermes<\/strong> was a Jewish historian and scholar from Oxford University, specializing in Jewish history and the Qumran Dead Sea Scrolls. Vermes declared that \u201cwe know more about Jesus than almost any other first century Jew.\u201d Vermes even admitted that the tomb of Jesus was found empty (<em>Jesus the Jew<\/em>) and offered refutations to naturalistic explanations of the resurrection. It is more than obvious that Vermes believed Jesus lived as a simple matter of history.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">4) <strong>Paul Barnett<\/strong> is a respected classicist historian. He did his Ph.D. on the interaction between the New Testament and Jewish history of the first century. Barnett accepts the same five historical facts above mentioned about Jesus, just as Michael Grant. Furthermore, Paul Barnett grants: \u201cCareful comparison of the texts of Mark and John indicates that neither of these Gospels is dependent on the other. Yet they have a number of incidents in common: for example . . . the burial of Jesus in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea.\u201d <sup class='footnote'><a href='#fn-2624-1' id='fnref-2624-1' onclick='return fdfootnote_show(2624)'>1<\/a><\/sup><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">5) <strong>Dr. Paul L. Maier<\/strong> is Emeritus Professor of Ancient History at Western Michigan University and a much-published author of both scholarly and popular works.\u00a0 His novels include two historical documentaries\u2014<em>Pontius Pilate<\/em> and <em>The Flames of Rome<\/em>. His nonfiction works include <em>In the Fullness of Time<\/em>, a book that correlates sacred with secular evidence from the ancient world impinging on Jesus and early Christianity; <em>Josephus: The Essential Works<\/em>, a new translation\/commentary on writings of the first-century Jewish historian; and <em>Eusebius: The Church History<\/em>.\u00a0 More than five million of Maier\u2019s books are now in print in twenty languages, as well as over 250 scholarly articles and reviews in professional journals. Paul Maier also does accept the same five facts about Jesus as Barnett and Grant.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">We could add many, and I mean,<strong> <em>many<\/em><\/strong> more credentialed historians to this list. I have to add that most of these are non-Christian scholars. In the final analysis, it matters very little what the likes of Mr. Burriguini think of the credentials of these individuals. People reading this are smart and can go check the data and the credentials by themselves. This shows how disconnected Burriguini is from the realm of historical Jesus studies. Herein <a style=\"color: #000000;\" href=\"http:\/\/veritasfidei.org\/en\/resurreccion-que-dicen-los-eruditos\/\">lies a list of scholars from Dr. Gary Habermas<\/a>\u2019 readily available published works\u2014which constitutes just a small subset of his own research of about 3400 historical sources that affirm the same five core facts above mentioned. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">These, alone, do not prove the resurrection, but constitute the <em>building blocks for the argument<\/em> of the minimal facts that posits the resurrection as the best explanation for such data since alternative naturalistic explanations fail miserably. It should be noted that these minimal facts are accepted by the vast majority\u2014about 90%\u2014of scholars (including atheists, agnostics, Jews and other). Similarly, most of these same scholars also reject naturalistic explanations of the resurrection.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">With the data above in place, Mr. Burriguini\u2019s claims turn out to be simply false and\/or misinformed. Dismissing credentialed scholars just because their focus touches on religious history commits the genetic fallacy and hints to great prejudice against historical documents of Christian origin.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Now, about his claim that the Four Gospels are, historically, at the same level as the novels of Harry Potter. Not sure where to begin here. The five historians surveyed above\u2014and hundreds more\u2014certainly believe the gospels contain historical data about the life and death of Jesus and his followers. Serious historical journals frequently publish about Jesus.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Let me quote just a few non-Christian scholars about this:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u201cJesus\u2019 death as a consequence of crucifixion is indisputable.\u201d\u00a0 <strong>Gerd L\u00fcdemann<\/strong>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u201cThat he was crucified is as sure as anything historical can ever be.\u201d\u00a0<strong> J.D. Crossan<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u201cThe passion of Jesus is part of history.\u201d\u00a0 <strong>Geza Vermes<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Jesus\u2019 death by crucifixion is \u201chistorically certain.\u201d <strong>Pinchas Lapide<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u201cThe single most solid fact about Jesus\u2019 life is his death: he was executed by the Roman prefect Pilate, on or around Passover, in the manner Rome reserved particularly for political insurrectionists, namely, crucifixion.\u201d\u00a0 <strong>Paula Fredriksen<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u00a0\u201cOne of the most certain facts of history is that Jesus was crucified on orders of the Roman prefect of Judea, Ponitus Pilate.\u201d <strong>Bart Ehrman<\/strong><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It is interesting that Ehrman has listed 15 independent ancient historical sources within 100 years of the life of Jesus. In contrast, Alexander the Great has <strong><em>ZERO<\/em> <\/strong>ancient sources within 100 years of his life. Ehrman is not a friend of Christianity and considers himself an atheist. He is simply being honest with the historical data.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Now, let me say something about Dr. Gary Habermas, not only since I consider him a friend but as my former professor at Biola.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Mr. Burriguini claimed that<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000;\"> \u201cGary Habermas is a theologian and an apologist\u2026The minimal facts were plagiarized from the \u2018microhistory\u2019 from Carlo Ginzburg\u2026 Serious historians have criteria to validate a source. Apologists like Habermas do not respect these criteria and that is why they do not publish their speculations in specialized historical journals or present in historical conferences. He would be considered a buffoon [in such setting].\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">What Mr. Burriguini seems to ignore, is that history of religion, historical Jesus questions, and even miracles are discussed in serious secular historical journals. As an example, the leading, yes, <em>leading secular journal<\/em>! on the most theoretical area of history, <em>History &amp; Theory<\/em>, ran an entire issue on the miracles question\u2014an entire issue plus a few odd articles in other issues thereabouts. You can see examples of these articles <a style=\"color: #000000;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.jstor.org\/stable\/3590822?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents\">here<\/a>, <a style=\"color: #000000;\" href=\"https:\/\/onlinelibrary.wiley.com\/doi\/abs\/10.1111\/j.1468-2303.2008.00471.x\">here<\/a>, <a style=\"color: #000000;\" href=\"https:\/\/onlinelibrary.wiley.com\/doi\/abs\/10.1111\/j.1468-2303.2008.00472.x\">here<\/a> and <a style=\"color: #000000;\" href=\"https:\/\/onlinelibrary.wiley.com\/doi\/abs\/10.1111\/j.1468-2303.2008.00473.x\">here<\/a>. This is a fully secular, very reputable journal that discussed miracles for more than one whole issue.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Regarding the accusation that Dr. Habermas plagiarized the \u201cminimal facts\u201d from Carlo Ginzburg:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">To asset that this resurrection argument was plagiarized from the \u201cmicrohistory\u201d from Carlo Ginzburg indicates the superficial level of the critique, since Ginzburg wrote nothing similar on this topic, neither does microhistory specialize in religious topics, nor is it plagiarism when there is nothing there from which to plagiarize in the first place!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Finally, about the insinuation that Dr. Habermas is not a true historian, let me say this:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">To obtain his Ph.D. Habermas had to satisfy the requirements of the History Department at Michigan State University. Furthermore, one of the historians on staff at MSU served on his dissertation committee.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Now, this is to put it mildly. Dr. Habermas is recognized <em>worldwide<\/em> as a scholar, historian, philosopher and a foremost expert on the historical Jesus. His <a style=\"color: #000000;\" href=\"http:\/\/www.garyhabermas.com\/publications.htm\">numerous books and publications<\/a> are a testament to his erudition and credentials. Mr. Burriguini\u2019s statements are nothing more than that: empty assertions and personal attacks geared to avoid addressing the elephant in the room: <strong><em>real evidence<\/em><\/strong>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I wonder why we have hundreds of scholars interested in the life of Jesus as a historical matter and <em>zero<\/em> scholars interested in Harry Potter as a historical figure. If Jesus and Harry Potter are the same level, as Mr. Burriguini claims, I challenge Mr. Burriguini to explain why, historically, scholars are interested in one but not the other. We will patiently wait for the answer.<\/span><\/p>\n<div class='footnotes' id='footnotes-2624'>\n<div class='footnotedivider'><\/div>\n<ol>\n<li id='fn-2624-1'> Paul Barnett, <em>Jesus and the Logic of History<\/em> (Grand Rapids, Mich.:Eerdmans, 1997), 104\u20135. <span class='footnotereverse'><a href='#fnref-2624-1'>&#8617;<\/a><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Answering: &#8220;No historical facts about Jesus&#8221; By Chris Du-Pond After a recent debate with my friend, apologist Santiago Alarc\u00f3n, Argentinian Historian Walter Burriguini issued the following statement: \u201cChristian apologists misinform their followers when they teach that there are historical evidences about the resurrection of Jesus, due to the fact that there are no serious historians [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":2621,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[275,547,482,269,268,267,928],"tags":[1506,510,12,1272,509,1273,542,545,291,290,7,285,472,619,289],"class_list":["post-2624","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics-en","category-atheism-en","category-atheism","category-historicity","category-new-testament","category-resurection","category-skepticism","tag-did-jesus-exist","tag-gary-habermas","tag-habermas","tag-habermas-en","tag-hechos-minimos","tag-hechos-minimos-en","tag-historical-jesus","tag-historical-sources-jesus","tag-historicity","tag-historiography","tag-jesus","tag-jesus-en","tag-minimal-facts","tag-resurection","tag-resurrection"],"views":684,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/veritasfidei.org\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2624","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/veritasfidei.org\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/veritasfidei.org\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/veritasfidei.org\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/veritasfidei.org\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2624"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/veritasfidei.org\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2624\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/veritasfidei.org\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/2621"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/veritasfidei.org\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2624"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/veritasfidei.org\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2624"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/veritasfidei.org\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2624"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}